john is my cousin and he did every bit of work on this bike. built his pipes, shaved forks, seat mount, tank mount, and suicide jockey setup. hes also runnin without any front binders. not to mention some exstensive hacking at the stock frame. i did this set of bars for him outta shoppin cart tubing. the bends are the front of the cart cut in half and flipped out. i dont have anything to bend tubing that far so the bends worked out perfect. and it was thick wall stuff too. just an idea for you broke choppers out there like myself.